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BOGUS upside down Balls.
or REALITY...
Who Created Up and Down, is it bogus gravity or the Ten Devas.
Many people are confused , who can understand properly ? So we take information from the Srimad Bhagavatam .
SB 5.16.4 — The great ṛṣi Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: My dear King, there is no limit to the expansion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead’s material energy. This material world is a transformation of the material qualities [sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa and tamo-guṇa], yet no one could possibly explain it perfectly, even in a lifetime as long as that of Brahmā. No one in the material world is perfect, and an imperfect person could not describe this material universe accurately, even after continued speculation. O King, I shall nevertheless try to explain to you the principal regions, such as Bhūloka, with their names, forms, measurements and various symptoms.
Up and down is caused by the devas, who are the principle deities of the ten directions .
SB 2.5.30 — From the mode of goodness the mind is generated and becomes manifest, as also the ten demigods controlling the bodily movements. Such demigods are known as the controller of directions, the controller of air, the sun-god, the father of Dakṣa Prajāpati, the Aśvinī-kumāras, the fire-god, the King of heaven, the worshipable deity in heaven, the chief of the Ādityas, and Brahmājī, the Prajāpati. All come into existence.
From the lord in the form of Garbhodaksai Visnu , Lord Brahma manifests from his navel and then lord Brahma, as an empowered secondary creator manifests the devas such as, Vayu the controlling deity for air , living entities from Daksa , the sun Vivasvan etc . By this superior arrangement of material elements which include the senses, under the superintendence of these ten demigods, we perceive all the ten cardinal directions (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW ,Up and Down) .
SB 2.5.31 — By further transformation of the mode of passion, the sense organs like the ear, skin, nose, eyes, tongue, mouth, hands, genitals, legs, and the outlet for evacuating, together with intelligence and living energy, are all generated.
SB 2.5.32 — O Nārada, best of the transcendentalists, the forms of the body cannot take place as long as these created parts, namely the elements, senses, mind and modes of nature, are not assembled.
SB 2.5.33 — Thus when all these became assembled by force of the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, this universe certainly came into being by accepting both the primary and secondary causes of creation.
SB 2.5.34 — Thus all the universes remained thousands of aeons within the water [the Causal Ocean], and the Lord of living beings, entering in each of them, caused them to be fully animated.
SB 2.5.35 — The Lord [Mahā-Viṣṇu], although lying in the Causal Ocean, came out of it, and dividing Himself as Hiraṇyagarbha, He entered into each universe and assumed the virāṭ-rūpa, with thousands of legs, arms, mouths, heads, etc.
The 5 gross material elements are intimately interconnected to the senses .
SB 2.5.26-29 — Because the sky is transformed, the air is generated with the quality of touch, and by previous succession the air is also full of sound and the basic principles of duration of life: sense perception, mental power and bodily strength. When the air is transformed in course of time and nature’s course, fire is generated, taking shape with the sense of touch and sound. Since fire is also transformed, there is a manifestation of water, full of juice and taste. As previously, it also has form and touch and is also full of sound. And water, being transformed from all variegatedness on earth, appears odorous and, as previously, becomes qualitatively full of juice, touch, sound and form respectively.
There is no need for the theory of gravity when we have the superior arrangement of god and his representatives the devas manifesting up and down . This is confirmed by Srila Prabhupada in the purport to SB 5.23.3 .
"As Kṛṣṇa says in Bhagavad-gītā (18.61):
īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
hṛd-deśe ’rjuna tiṣṭhati
bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni
yantrārūḍhāni māyayā
“The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone’s heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.” The machine given by material nature — whether the machine of the body or the machine of the orbit, or kāla-cakra — works according to the orders given by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Supreme Personality of Godhead and material nature work together to maintain this great universe, and not only this universe but also the millions of other universes beyond this one.
The question of how the planets and stars are floating is also answered in this verse. It is not because of the laws of gravity. Rather, the planets and stars are enabled to float by manipulations of the air. It is due to such manipulations that big, heavy clouds float and big eagles fly in the sky. "
Once the Myth of gravity is removed from the equation, the question of being upside down on the outside of a spinning ball earth, is redundant .
Nevertheless many conditioned souls still subscribe to the erroneous science, of the mundane empirical deluded theories of scientists such as Isaac Newton. Whom formulated many nice equations for physics, yet let his imagination get the better of him when he speculated , mass attracts mass, similar to a magnet attracting metal.
Because it is the popular science that is current nowadays, the Tovp feels the need to placate them by including such a model, that allows people to hang upside down on balls due to gravity lol . What to do , not everyone strictly follows the Srimad Bhagavatam . Such is the precarious position of conditioned souls who prefer to follow unproven speculations, that mass can attract mass, like a magnet, over the superior instructions of the Srimad Bhagavatam .
Only a pure devotee such as Narada Muni, can instruct a surrendered disciple to give up the blind path leading to a well of snakes. Such Strong Association is the only way to overcome the insidious influence, the general populace of materially conditioned Baddha jivas present .
SB 7.9.28 — My dear Lord, O Supreme Personality of Godhead, because of my association with material desires, one after another, I was gradually falling into a blind well full of snakes, following the general populace. But Your servant Nārada Muni kindly accepted me as his disciple and instructed me how to achieve this transcendental position. Therefore, my first duty is to serve him. How could I leave his service?
Normal english translations of the Rig Veda are as follows .
1.35.9 :- The golden-handed Savitar, far-seeing, goes on his way between the earth and heaven,Drives away sickness, bids the Sun approach us, and spreads the bright sky through the darksome
region.
Then you get the zealous sycophants of modern science looking for approval, in order to validate their own culture according to modern speculations of deluded scientists. They mistranslate their own scriptures to deceptively present them, incongruently, to appease deluded atheists as follows .
Rig Veda 1.35.9 Bogus interpretation -
“The sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly bodies in a manner that they do not collide with each other through force of attraction.
The Srimad Bhagavatam gives this description that the sun is orbiting above the plane of earth in the midst of the antariksa, dividing the universe between the heavenly realm and the earth below ,exactly as the rig veda describes.
SB 5.21.2 — As a grain of wheat is divided into two parts and one can estimate the size of the upper part by knowing that of the lower, so, expert geographers instruct, one can understand the measurements of the upper part of the universe by knowing those of the lower part. The sky between the earthly sphere and heavenly sphere is called antarikṣa, or outer space. It adjoins the top of the sphere of earth and the bottom of that of heaven.
SB 5.21.3 — In the midst of that region of outer space [antarikṣa] is the most opulent sun, the king of all the planets that emanate heat, such as the moon. By the influence of its radiation, the sun heats the universe and maintains its proper order. It also gives light to help all living entities see. While passing toward the north, toward the south or through the equator, in accordance with the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, it is said to move slowly, swiftly or moderately. According to its movements in rising above, going beneath or passing through the equator — and correspondingly coming in touch with various signs of the zodiac, headed by Makara [Capricorn] — days and nights are short, long or equal to one another.
SB 5.14.13 — Sometimes, to mitigate distresses in this forest of the material world, the conditioned soul receives cheap blessings from atheists. He then loses all intelligence in their association. This is exactly like jumping in a shallow river. As a result one simply breaks his head. He is not able to mitigate his sufferings from the heat, and in both ways he suffers. The misguided conditioned soul also approaches so-called sādhus and svāmīs who preach against the principles of the Vedas. He does not receive benefit from them, either in the present or in the future.
Here is another one -
Rig Veda 1.64.13-14 :- Upon this five-spoked wheel revolving ever all living creatures rest and are dependent. Its axle, heavy-laden, is not heated: the nave from ancient time remains unbroken.
14 The wheel revolves, unwasting, with its felly: ten draw it, yoked to the far-stretching car-pole.The Sun's eye moves encompassed by the region: on him dependent rest all living creatures.
Now compare the dubious translation below to the quote above.
Rig Veda 1.164.13
“Sun moves in its orbit which itself is moving. Earth and other bodies move around sun due to force of attraction, because sun is heavier than them.
How the two are considered the same is beyond me , it shows that the interpretation will vary according to the different mentality of the person doing the translations . Actually all the hymns of praise in the Rig Veda refer to the personalities which preside over various departments of universal affairs , such devas and empowered representatives of Bhagavan are never portrayed as gross impersonal bodies. Atheistic scientists trying to reinvent the vedas , only to suit their own materialistic agenda, are simply deluding themselves and others at the same time .
Similarly proponents of modern mundane speculative cosmological views, cherry pick quotes from the puranas, in order to substantiate the erroneous concept that the moon is lower then the sun in its orbit -
(To be continued)
or REALITY...
Who Created Up and Down, is it bogus gravity or the Ten Devas.
Many people are confused , who can understand properly ? So we take information from the Srimad Bhagavatam .
SB 5.16.4 — The great ṛṣi Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: My dear King, there is no limit to the expansion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead’s material energy. This material world is a transformation of the material qualities [sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa and tamo-guṇa], yet no one could possibly explain it perfectly, even in a lifetime as long as that of Brahmā. No one in the material world is perfect, and an imperfect person could not describe this material universe accurately, even after continued speculation. O King, I shall nevertheless try to explain to you the principal regions, such as Bhūloka, with their names, forms, measurements and various symptoms.
Up and down is caused by the devas, who are the principle deities of the ten directions .
SB 2.5.30 — From the mode of goodness the mind is generated and becomes manifest, as also the ten demigods controlling the bodily movements. Such demigods are known as the controller of directions, the controller of air, the sun-god, the father of Dakṣa Prajāpati, the Aśvinī-kumāras, the fire-god, the King of heaven, the worshipable deity in heaven, the chief of the Ādityas, and Brahmājī, the Prajāpati. All come into existence.
From the lord in the form of Garbhodaksai Visnu , Lord Brahma manifests from his navel and then lord Brahma, as an empowered secondary creator manifests the devas such as, Vayu the controlling deity for air , living entities from Daksa , the sun Vivasvan etc . By this superior arrangement of material elements which include the senses, under the superintendence of these ten demigods, we perceive all the ten cardinal directions (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW ,Up and Down) .
SB 2.5.31 — By further transformation of the mode of passion, the sense organs like the ear, skin, nose, eyes, tongue, mouth, hands, genitals, legs, and the outlet for evacuating, together with intelligence and living energy, are all generated.
SB 2.5.32 — O Nārada, best of the transcendentalists, the forms of the body cannot take place as long as these created parts, namely the elements, senses, mind and modes of nature, are not assembled.
SB 2.5.33 — Thus when all these became assembled by force of the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, this universe certainly came into being by accepting both the primary and secondary causes of creation.
SB 2.5.34 — Thus all the universes remained thousands of aeons within the water [the Causal Ocean], and the Lord of living beings, entering in each of them, caused them to be fully animated.
SB 2.5.35 — The Lord [Mahā-Viṣṇu], although lying in the Causal Ocean, came out of it, and dividing Himself as Hiraṇyagarbha, He entered into each universe and assumed the virāṭ-rūpa, with thousands of legs, arms, mouths, heads, etc.
The 5 gross material elements are intimately interconnected to the senses .
SB 2.5.26-29 — Because the sky is transformed, the air is generated with the quality of touch, and by previous succession the air is also full of sound and the basic principles of duration of life: sense perception, mental power and bodily strength. When the air is transformed in course of time and nature’s course, fire is generated, taking shape with the sense of touch and sound. Since fire is also transformed, there is a manifestation of water, full of juice and taste. As previously, it also has form and touch and is also full of sound. And water, being transformed from all variegatedness on earth, appears odorous and, as previously, becomes qualitatively full of juice, touch, sound and form respectively.
There is no need for the theory of gravity when we have the superior arrangement of god and his representatives the devas manifesting up and down . This is confirmed by Srila Prabhupada in the purport to SB 5.23.3 .
"As Kṛṣṇa says in Bhagavad-gītā (18.61):
īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
hṛd-deśe ’rjuna tiṣṭhati
bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni
yantrārūḍhāni māyayā
“The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone’s heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.” The machine given by material nature — whether the machine of the body or the machine of the orbit, or kāla-cakra — works according to the orders given by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Supreme Personality of Godhead and material nature work together to maintain this great universe, and not only this universe but also the millions of other universes beyond this one.
The question of how the planets and stars are floating is also answered in this verse. It is not because of the laws of gravity. Rather, the planets and stars are enabled to float by manipulations of the air. It is due to such manipulations that big, heavy clouds float and big eagles fly in the sky. "
Once the Myth of gravity is removed from the equation, the question of being upside down on the outside of a spinning ball earth, is redundant .
Nevertheless many conditioned souls still subscribe to the erroneous science, of the mundane empirical deluded theories of scientists such as Isaac Newton. Whom formulated many nice equations for physics, yet let his imagination get the better of him when he speculated , mass attracts mass, similar to a magnet attracting metal.
Because it is the popular science that is current nowadays, the Tovp feels the need to placate them by including such a model, that allows people to hang upside down on balls due to gravity lol . What to do , not everyone strictly follows the Srimad Bhagavatam . Such is the precarious position of conditioned souls who prefer to follow unproven speculations, that mass can attract mass, like a magnet, over the superior instructions of the Srimad Bhagavatam .
Only a pure devotee such as Narada Muni, can instruct a surrendered disciple to give up the blind path leading to a well of snakes. Such Strong Association is the only way to overcome the insidious influence, the general populace of materially conditioned Baddha jivas present .
SB 7.9.28 — My dear Lord, O Supreme Personality of Godhead, because of my association with material desires, one after another, I was gradually falling into a blind well full of snakes, following the general populace. But Your servant Nārada Muni kindly accepted me as his disciple and instructed me how to achieve this transcendental position. Therefore, my first duty is to serve him. How could I leave his service?
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Mistranslantions and Misquotes of the Vedas & Puranas Cosmology to placate Current Speculation.
Normal english translations of the Rig Veda are as follows .
1.35.9 :- The golden-handed Savitar, far-seeing, goes on his way between the earth and heaven,Drives away sickness, bids the Sun approach us, and spreads the bright sky through the darksome
region.
Then you get the zealous sycophants of modern science looking for approval, in order to validate their own culture according to modern speculations of deluded scientists. They mistranslate their own scriptures to deceptively present them, incongruently, to appease deluded atheists as follows .
Rig Veda 1.35.9 Bogus interpretation -
“The sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly bodies in a manner that they do not collide with each other through force of attraction.
The Srimad Bhagavatam gives this description that the sun is orbiting above the plane of earth in the midst of the antariksa, dividing the universe between the heavenly realm and the earth below ,exactly as the rig veda describes.
SB 5.21.2 — As a grain of wheat is divided into two parts and one can estimate the size of the upper part by knowing that of the lower, so, expert geographers instruct, one can understand the measurements of the upper part of the universe by knowing those of the lower part. The sky between the earthly sphere and heavenly sphere is called antarikṣa, or outer space. It adjoins the top of the sphere of earth and the bottom of that of heaven.
SB 5.21.3 — In the midst of that region of outer space [antarikṣa] is the most opulent sun, the king of all the planets that emanate heat, such as the moon. By the influence of its radiation, the sun heats the universe and maintains its proper order. It also gives light to help all living entities see. While passing toward the north, toward the south or through the equator, in accordance with the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, it is said to move slowly, swiftly or moderately. According to its movements in rising above, going beneath or passing through the equator — and correspondingly coming in touch with various signs of the zodiac, headed by Makara [Capricorn] — days and nights are short, long or equal to one another.
SB 5.14.13 — Sometimes, to mitigate distresses in this forest of the material world, the conditioned soul receives cheap blessings from atheists. He then loses all intelligence in their association. This is exactly like jumping in a shallow river. As a result one simply breaks his head. He is not able to mitigate his sufferings from the heat, and in both ways he suffers. The misguided conditioned soul also approaches so-called sādhus and svāmīs who preach against the principles of the Vedas. He does not receive benefit from them, either in the present or in the future.
Here is another one -
Rig Veda 1.64.13-14 :- Upon this five-spoked wheel revolving ever all living creatures rest and are dependent. Its axle, heavy-laden, is not heated: the nave from ancient time remains unbroken.
14 The wheel revolves, unwasting, with its felly: ten draw it, yoked to the far-stretching car-pole.The Sun's eye moves encompassed by the region: on him dependent rest all living creatures.
Now compare the dubious translation below to the quote above.
Rig Veda 1.164.13
“Sun moves in its orbit which itself is moving. Earth and other bodies move around sun due to force of attraction, because sun is heavier than them.
How the two are considered the same is beyond me , it shows that the interpretation will vary according to the different mentality of the person doing the translations . Actually all the hymns of praise in the Rig Veda refer to the personalities which preside over various departments of universal affairs , such devas and empowered representatives of Bhagavan are never portrayed as gross impersonal bodies. Atheistic scientists trying to reinvent the vedas , only to suit their own materialistic agenda, are simply deluding themselves and others at the same time .
Similarly proponents of modern mundane speculative cosmological views, cherry pick quotes from the puranas, in order to substantiate the erroneous concept that the moon is lower then the sun in its orbit -
(To be continued)