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Post by Admin on Dec 17, 2015 3:20:24 GMT
SRILA PRABHUPADA "Nowhere the rascals go" Svarupa Damodara: "It also makes difficult for others to argue.
Prabhupada: (laughs) When there is argument? Nonsense, how you can argue? And therefore you are rascal. And that is also forbidden. Acintyah khalu ye bhava na tams tarkena yojayet: “Things which are beyond your conception, don’t foolishly argue, rascal.” That will prove your rascaldom. Better accept what the authority says. It is beyond your conception, rascal. Why you are wasting time? That we want to say, that all of them are rascals, and they are simply wasting time by false idea. Cheating. You know, there are companies. They’ll... They have got photographic studio. So they adjust their moon hoax. They’ll help you. If you have got particular idea... They are going to the moon planet, Mars. Nowhere the rascals go. There is no knowledge. How they can go? Teeny, imperfect. So if we can prove that they have no knowledge of the universe, neither of the position of their..."
(Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation with Swarup Damodar, June 21, 1977, Vrindavana)
"Prabhupāda: What is this? First of all answer this. Their everything proposition is wrong. So how we can trust somebody? What is the answer?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We cannot trust them.
Prabhupāda: Then? But if you cannot trust them, they're rejected immediately. This is one argument. Another argument, kūpa-maṇḍuka-nyāya. The frog in the well, he's estimating, "This is the limit of water." What he'll understand about Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean? There is so many things. On the whole we are imperfect, and although imperfect, they want to be perfect. That is cheating. Now for argument's sake, if they put some argument, we have to reply. We have to prepare for them. Otherwise they're useless. We know they're useless, but sometimes they put some argument. We have to give answer. This is the position. And our duty is to present picture of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam correct. So what do you have to say? At least some answer you should give.
Yaśodā-nandana: The biggest problem we are discussing... We were thinking that the first question they will ask... This is their conception of the world.
Prabhupāda: We reject them.
Yaśodā-nandana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: "You are imperfect. So whatever you have written, that is nonsense. And everywhere problem. Why should we waste our time?" Now just try to settle from point of. He's showing this book; I am showing the Bhāgavatam. So you are imperfect, that's a fact. What is the value of your book? If you are basically a rascal, then what is the value of your book? Why shall I waste my time? First of all I take it and I prove it that you are a rascal. You show your book; I show my book. But you have been proved that you are a rascal. Because practically you cannot cross Himalaya. You have no idea what is the Himalaya. You are giving some conflict."
“They are called punah punash charvita charvanam —chewing the chewed. They are being baffled every step and still they are trying to overcome the laws of nature; this is their foolishness. Naradhamah. Mayayapahrita-jnana. Maya is so strong upon them that their so-called scientific knowledge is useless. In 1958 when I wrote that book Easy Journey to Other Planets, I write in that book that this moon planet is simply childish and waste of time, and actually it has proved. So I was not a scientist, neither I am a scientist, how did I say? I said on the strength of the version in the Vedic literature that it is not possible. You cannot. We are conditioned, we are conditioned to remain in a certain atmosphere; we cannot surpass that. Just like we are animals of the land, we cannot go to the water; and the aquatics, fishes, they are animals of the water, they cannot live on the land. Why these rascals are trying to overcome the laws of nature? How foolish rascals they are, just imagine. Any child can understand, but these rascals cannot understand. Their challenge is that ‘We are trying to overcome the laws.’ Is it not? That is their challenge. Therefore they are rascals, naradhamah mayayapahrita-jnana. They are attempting in something which they cannot perform, therefore they are rascals, mudha. So better than to become more and more mudha, better to take to Krishna consciousness, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam, that will make your life successful. Why should you imitate these rascals? Hmm? What is your saying, what do you think? We say they are rascals; what do you think?”
Yogeshvara spoke for the whole gathering. “They are all rascals.”
With everyone laughing, Prabhupäda declared, “That’s right. Anyone protest against this? He’ll be another rascal! Don’t try to overcome the laws of nature; that is not possible. You have been given this land, this planet. Live here, grow your food, chant Hare Krishna and live peacefully. Why should we go to the moon planet?”…
BEAT THEM WITH SHOES
Fingering a flower on his garland he said, “Just see how beautifully it is colored. This aesthetic sense; Krishna knows how it will become beautiful, svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya cha, construction of the flower. And there is no intelligence.”
“Chance,” I said.
Prabhupada sat back shaking his head and laughing. “So beat them with shoes. And when they protest, ‘Oh, it is chance. Don’t mind, it is by chance I am beating.'” (3rd Aug. 1976, La Nouvelle Mayapur)
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Post by Admin on Sept 28, 2016 15:04:11 GMT
"Because they are very, very sinful, duskrtina. Mischievous, miscreants, simply wasting money. They're taking huge salary, huge research fees from the government, and simply misleading persons. That is their business. Miscreants. Actually, they want money, but to take the money he has to bluff. Without bluffing, how he can take money? Then they will present themselves: "I am great scientist, I am great philosopher, so give me money, millions of dollars. I'll go to the moon planet, I'll go to the Mars," and taking money and wasting. And because we are rascals, we are also: "Oh, they are making so much advancement, yes." Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. We are following blind leaders. Because we are blind, we do not know. This is the position. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah. So we have to open our eyes." (SB 1.2.25, August 28, 1972, Los Angeles)
"In the creation of the Lord there are many wonderful things we can see with our own eyes every day and night, but we are unable to reach them equipped by modern materialistic science. We should not, therefore, depend on the fragmentary authority of materialistic science for knowing things beyond the range of scientific purview. For a common man, both modern science and Vedic wisdom are simply to be accepted because none of the statements either of modern science or of Vedic literature can be verified by him. The alternative for a common man is to believe either of them or both of them. The Vedic way of understanding, however, is more authentic because it has been accepted by the acaryas, who are not only faithful and learned men, but are also liberated souls without any of the flaws of conditioned souls. The modern scientists, however, are conditioned souls liable to so many errors and mistakes; therefore the safe side is to accept the authentic version of Vedic literatures, like Srimad-Bhagavatam, which is accepted unanimously by the great acaryas." (SB 2.2.26)
SB 7.9.28 — My dear Lord, O Supreme Personality of Godhead, because of my association with material desires, one after another, I was gradually falling into a blind well full of snakes, following the general populace. But Your servant Nārada Muni kindly accepted me as his disciple and instructed me how to achieve this transcendental position. Therefore, my first duty is to serve him. How could I leave his service? 
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2016 14:08:51 GMT
JAGAT GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA ON THE UNIVERSE Harikesha: Srila Prabhupada, I was wondering if it was more important to understand the universal make up or simply to accept what Srimad-Bhagavatam says.
Prabhupada: That means you don't accept Srimad-Bhagavatam?
Harikesha: No. But some of the things in Srimad-Bhagavatam are difficult to understand.
Prabhupada: Rascal, fool. Therefore it is difficult for you.
Harikesha: Yes.
Prabhupada: You should not... You understand or not understand, you have to accept it.
Harikesha: That is why we are asking so many questions about the moon and the planets.
Prabhupada: Yes, so where is the doubt? It is a fact that they did not go to the moon. That's a fact.
Harikesha: I'm just trying to understand for preaching purposes.
Prabhupada: Why do you try to understand?
Harikesha: Because I have a hard time explaining about the make up of the universe as far as...
Prabhupada: That make up is all right, what they say?
Harikesha: What they say?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesha: No.
Prabhupada: Then don't understand them also, you don't understand here also. Then what you will do?
Siddha-svarupa: What it is is that we're automatically taking as authoritative what the scientists say, but we don't think is authoritative what Srila Prabhupada and the Bhagavata is saying.
Harikesha: Well, the difficulty I was having about this mountain, this Meru. It sounds... It's very difficult to explain that to someone.
Prabhupada: No, no, that is difficult, but everything is difficult for you. Because you want to see. You have not seen their arrangement; neither you have seen our arrangement. So but your proposition is you don't believe what you don't see. You have not seen neither of them, so you have to remain silent.
Harikesha: So the best position is just remain silent until realization comes?
Prabhupada: No. You should... Sukadeva Gosvami says. You have to believe that. It is an idea. If you believe or not believe, it doesn't matter. But you can get an idea about the planetary situation. That's all. Neither you can go there; neither you can see it. An idea is given, that is all. But there is no argument.
Harikesha: No.
Prabhupada: No.
Siddha-svarupa: Did the people who said they went to the moon, did they go to another planet?
Prabhupada: Yes. Or they did not go anywhere. They were in the desert... What is that?
Devotees: Arizona.
Prabhupada: Arizona. That's all. That is possible.
Siddha-svarupa: Yes, it's possible. I wouldn't put anything beyond them.
Prabhupada: They are all doing this nonsense here on this planet and showing and advertising that.
Siddha-svarupa: Yes, they made big propaganda that they would get there, and then they had to succeed. And then they showed that they succeeded, they stopped the program.
Prabhupada: That one film?
Srutakirti: Oh, King Kong. (laughter)
Prabhupada: King Kong. It was made in laboratory.
Bali-mardana: Yes.
Harikesha: Also 2001 was very expertly made like that. There is one movie, 2001, which looked even better than the moon shots.
Devotee: Someone was arguing with me that if, like Russia and America both are enemies, if Russia achieves something great like going to the moon, America will immediately try to expose it. But on the contrary, America accepted all those things. And because...
Prabhupada: Then there is also... Both of them are thieves, they have made agreement, "Don't expose me. I'll not expose you."
Devotee: So that is their agree... But they are enemies...
Prabhupada: No, no, enemies, they are not enemies. They are simply rogues and thieves, that's all.
Paramahamsa: Because if they tried to expose Russia, they would also expose themselves.
Siddha-svarupa: It's like these so many gurus. They're not actually enemies. They're actually individually working to exploit the people. And if they get in each other's way, if one person tries to take the other person's followers, then there's some clash or something. But as long they can leave each other alone and don't fight and work independently, exploiting, then they live peacefully.
Bali-mardana: Honor among thieves.
Prabhupada: "Thief, thief, cousin brother." Cora cora, pasura bhai. So far our position is that we are not concerned with anything with this universe. We are concerned with Krishnaloka. So whatever one may say, one other may say, we don't care for that. We are not going to the moon planet, Jupiter(?) planet.
Siddha-svarupa: There's a danger that we become overly concerned with debating on them.
Harikesha: So our preaching platform should be is that "You don't know." We can say, "You don't know" or "We don't know. Why shouldn't one accept what we say over what you say?" We should just prove that we...
Prabhupada: No, accept or not accept, the whatever is description there, in Bhagavatam, we are accepted.
Harikesha: So we should not try to meet these scientists on any scientific platform? Rather, on...
Siddha-svarupa: Why not on the platform of not being the body? Why should you...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Siddha-svarupa: Why not speak on what we're trying to speak about instead of overly indulge in that which is beyond debate actually?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Siddha-svarupa: Ask them, "Are you the body?" If they say, "Yes," and then ask them to show how...
Prabhupada: Just like here in America I have come to preach Krishna consciousness. I am not interested for sight-seeing. That is not my business. Whatever you say, "It is here like this," "All right, That's all, finished." Why should we try to confirm it? Whatever you say, that's all right. Now, we are seeing the other part; if somebody there, "It is like this," that's all right. I'm not going to test it. So what is the use of arguing? I have no interest.
Siddha-svarupa: The materialists, they want to argue on the platform of material arrangements, and there's...
Prabhupada: That is useless.
Siddha-svarupa: Yes.
Prabhupada: What he will gain by such argument? You are not going there neither you are interested for going to the moon planet. For knowledge sake it is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, and everyone is... Just like when we speak of the hell, everyone is little anxious, "Where are the hell?" So that is described. In the down this universe there are lokas.
Harikesha: So, in other words, it would make no... It would be not a very good program to get some understanding from Vedic astronomy, like, say, some expert Vedic astronomers.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesha: It would not be a good program...?
Prabhupada: No, what benefit you will derive there? Your problem is that if at the time of death you can remember Krishna, then it is success. We are not going to any other planet. Yanti deva-vrata devan [Bg. 9.25], let them go. We are not interested in these things.
Siddha-svarupa: There's only a certain amount of time and a certain amount of..., that we can talk about to people. And if we're talking about so many material arrangements, then it means that we can't be talking about that which is actually important. So we have to make a choice, whether we're going to get straight to the point or beat around the bush. [break]
Prabhupada: ...no interest in a particular subject, why should you bother your head about it?
Harikesha: I become very fascinated when I read these descriptions in Srimad-Bhagavatam about the creation and the universal...
Prabhupda: Yes, yes. That's gist idea of the universal position. That is sufficient.
Harikesha: So, in other words, Sukadeva Gosvami is always bringing Maharaja Pariksit to the platform of "Why bother with all of this? Simply perform devotional service"?
Prabhupada: Huh? No, no. He's giving full knowledge of the universal affairs. He also says at the end that "I have described whatever I have heard." That's all.
Harikesha: So we should simply describe it without being concerned that the scientific mind may make sense out of it or not?
Prabhupada: What is this nonsense scientific? That is... We reject immediately. What is scientific? A tiny brain, what is their science? Phene bare dhake nate ute. A snake catcher... There is a kind of snake which has no poison. So he cannot catch even that non-poisonous snake, and he's trying to catch one cobra. So these scientists, what is their value? What they have done anything contribution to the world for the benefit of the human society? They could not give any relief from the disease, relief from old age, relief from death or birth. These are the real problems. So what is their contribution? They have given some horseless carriage. Again there is problem of power. What is actually benefit they have done, that this is the benefit from the scientists? Anything they have done, there is counter disadvantage. This is simply waste of time. Our... We consider our human life is very valuable, and before the next death we should prepare ourself go back to home, back to Godhead. This is our philosophy. We cannot waste a minute time before the next death comes. That is our philosophy. So why should we waste our time, "Where is the moon? Where is sun?" Just have it gist idea, that's all. [break] ...no profit. Suppose the position of the moon is correct according to Bhagavata or according to the scientist, what benefit we shall get out of it? Whichever may be correct or wrong.
Siddha-svarüpa: Yes, right.
Prabhupada: We are not getting any profit out of it. So why should we bother about it? Adhara vapare jaj akalara. We are dealing in ginger. Then what is the use of asking, "What is the hire, I mean to say, freight for a big ship?" If you are dealing with ginger, ginger is not sold by tons. When you go to purchase ginger, you take one or two pieces. So those who are dealing in ginger, what is the use of asking what is the fare of a freight ship? We are not going to...
Siddha-svarupa: It doesn't have anything to do... [break]
Prabhupada: ...be done by Darwin, that he will live for fifty years; he is giving account millions of years. "Some millions of years after, this evolution takes place like this." Huh? Will he live for millions of years? Why he's talking of millions of years? This is a waste of time. He will live for fifty years or, say, utmost, hundred years, and he's talking of millions of years.
So you should have depth of knowledge, otherwise you will be carried away by these rascals. We cannot be carried away by these rascals. We never so easily believed that they are going to the moon planet. You see? We have to scrutinize everything. Yes. That is brahminical qualification. A brahmana will not accept anything simply because it is said by some rascal. A sudra will accept because he has no intelligence. That is the difference between brahmana and sudra. …Kalau sudra-sambhavau. "In this age, Kali-yuga, all sudras." Therefore they accept everything cheaply and at once, the çüdras.
Syamasundara: Cheaply and at once?
Prabhupada: At once. Yes. The newspaper said that "Mr. such and such went to moon planet." Oh, immediately believe. See? A newspaper, ten cent worth newspaper. And in the Bhagavad-gita Krishna says, yänti deva vratä devän: [Bg. 9.25] "One who can... One can go to the demigods planets by worshiping them. You can go, yanti deva vrata devan, as others. Similarly, one can come to Me by worshiping Me." Mad yajino 'pi yanti mam. So they never worshiped Chandra, and how they can go to the Chandra planet, or moon planet? Then Krishna is false. Krishna is imperfect. They become perfect. They are defying Krishna's instruction. They have gone to moon planet. Then our whole propaganda, Krishna consciousness, becomes bogus. Therefore I always protest.
Sudama: They have not gone.
Prabhupada: They have not gone. We have got our tests. I am speaking from the very beginning, "They have not gone." And practically you see, even if you have gone, what utility you have made? They are simply planning, again planning. "We shall get petrol from there. We shall have defense from there." Simply bluffing, simply bluffing. The Americans will go to the moon planet to defend his country from the Russians. Just see. And we have to believe all these nonsense proposals. What defense they will do from there? Is it not the proposal? (RoomConversation, April 1 1972 Sydney)
Prabhupada: How rascals they are, just see. I never believed. How shall I believe? I know it cannot be done. That Easy Journey to Other Planets, I have described the moon-going-plan—a childish. Did I not?
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2016 5:52:18 GMT
Some quotes from Prabhupada:
Devotee (3): Why do they want to fool the people?
Prabhupada: Because you are fool. Because you are fool, therefore you become befooled. We do not become befooled by their words. You are fool; you will be befooled. If you want to remain fool, then you will be befooled. And if you become intelligent, then you will not be befooled. They can befool when there are many fools. If there is no fool they cannot befool. So you follow this? (Morning Walk, November 14 1975, Bombay)
AN INDISPUTABLE EXAMPLE OF THE GLOBE HOAX
Harikesha: They have pictures from the moon taken of the earth.
Prabhupada: Pictures? First of all you see. Then take picture. You cannot see.
(Morning walk, June 1975, Honolulu)
This is a picture called Earthrise from the so-called 1968 lunar mission, showing Earth from the moon.
Inline image 1
You can find the picture on NA$A's official website including the blurb:
www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1249.html
Now lets go forward nearly 50 years to 2015. This is a picture of the so-called dark side of the moon showing the Earth in the background. The picture is taken from NA$A's fantastically named Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC), a four megapixel CCD camera and telescope on the DSCOVR satellite (supposedly) orbiting 1 million miles from Earth.
Inline image 2
You can see the crappy animation of the thing here, again at the official website:
www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth
If you watch the animated video of the so-called dark side of the moon passing the Earth, you will see that rather than rotating around the Earth, the moon simple passes by it. Keeping on that trajectory, the moon would have reached another universe by now. And notice how the cloud patterns don't change on a supposed 12 hour rotation:
Anyway, the glaring deception is evident in the fact that the photo of Earth in the first picture from 1968 is way smaller than the Earth taken in the 2015 picture. Why is that an issue? Well, the first photo is taken from the moon which is 238,900 miles away. The second picture is taken from a distance of supposedly 1 million miles. So the image of Earth from 1 million miles away should be much smaller, not much bigger. But what do we see? In the 2015 picture, we see a huge Earth in the background of the moon. In reality, it should be three or four times smaller than the Earth in the 1968 picture
Case closed!
THE MOON HOAX WILL CHANGE THE WORLD
In the conversation below, Srila Prabhupada says that if the moon hoax is released, it will change the world. Therefore they have to continue the farce. Ultimately, the globe is part of the same farce, because since 1968, they've have to defend the pictures of the Earth from the surface of the so-called moon.
Prabhupada: If they simply follow strictly this moon expedition and they admit they have not gone, then the whole civilization will change. All wrong conclusion. But they will have And they will have to continue this. Otherwise they will be farce before the world. They will have to continue it. Now they are in such a position.to admit now. Now they are serious, and they will have to say that they've never gone to the moon.
Paramahamsa: They can't just stop and say, "OK, now we..."
Prabhupada: If they stop, then they are failure.
Paramahamsa: Yeah. And then everyone will complain, "Oh, you wasted billions of dollars."
Prabhupada: And if they go, then they will have the right information. But they will never be able to go.
Devotee (1): Just like Ravana could not reach the heavenly planets just by building the staircase.
Prabhupada: That was his only demonic proposal, that "We make staircase." He said that "Why you are undergoing so much austerities to go to the heavenly planets? I shall make a staircase. You will go."
Amogha: How high did he make it?
Prabhupada: He never attempted. He simply bluffed, that's all. So demons' proposals are like that. (Morning Walk, May 16 1975, Perth)
Prabhupada: You see? They want to draw some salary, big salaries, by bluffing the government and the public. This is their business. They are failing. They have finished their business on this planet; now they are going another planet. These are nonsense. [break] They know that "We... So as far as possible, we have bluffed. Now our business in this planet is finished. So let us go to another planet." This is going on.
Paramahamsa: Even if they wanted to stop this space project, they couldn't stop because they've already spent billions of dollars for making equipment and rocket ships and launching pads and rocket bases and so many employees. If they stop, then so much would be wasted, so many people would be unemployed. So they have to continue even if they know that it's a bluff.
Prabhupada: That is the way of falsehood. If once you speak something false, then to protect that falsehood you have to take to so many other falsehoods. This is the way of falsehood...
Devotee (3): Prabhupada, when they said they went to the moon and they showed films of them landing and walking on the moon, was this all a bluff?
Prabhupada: Yes, here they... All laboratory work, that's all.
Devotee (3): They all made it up?
Prabhupada: Yes.
(Morning Walk, June 2, 1975 Honolulu)
Prabhupada: two questions, that they have not gone to moon planet and they cannot make even a chicken egg, you make great propaganda.
Pusta Krishna: Yes.
Prabhupada: The rascals will be proved that they're really rascals.
(Morning Walk, October 25 1975, Mauritius)
Tamala Krishna: We wanted to talk to you about the moon. We have read your statement that you say that man has not gone to the moon, but we have seen...
Prabhupada: Not only now, I've said long, long years ago. That this is all childish.
Tamala Krishna: Yes. But how can you say this when we have so much proof that we have gone to the moon?
Prabhupada: But that proof is with you. I have not gone with you. I don't believe you because, according to you, unless you see, you don't believe. I have not seen so I don't believe.
Tamäla Kåñëa: You have not seen the North Pole but you believe it.
Prabhupäda: Ah ha. You materialistic people say that "We have not seen God, therefore don't believe." Therefore I say, "I have not gone with you, that you have gone to moon, I don't believe." That's all. Finished. How can I believe? You say that you have gone. But I have not gone with you. So how can I believe. That's all. That is my argument. You did not take me with you. How can I believe?
Tamala Krishna: Pictures.
Prabhupada: Why I shall believe pictures? I have not seen it. This is false picture. As you say that you could not saw God therefore don't believe. Therefore I say that I did not go with you, I don't believe.
Tamala Krishna: But we can arrange to put you on a ship to take you to the moon.
Prabhupada: When you take then I shall believe. (Conversation, April 14 1975, Hyderabad)
MUTUAL PROPAGANDA
Prabhupada:Now I am sure they have not gone to moon planet. How they will go? It is beyond the sun. I was protesting that they have not gone; now I am convinced that they have not gone. The Russian scientists and the American scientists joined on the platform, "Don't expose me, I don't expose you." (laughter) (Bengali) "You have to do your business and same I have to do my business. Let us support one another." In all other case, they are inimical, and the scientific field they are friends. That means that if a scientist, another scientist, opposes me, then my attempt will be futile, so let us don't do it.
Srutakirti: You don't expose me, and I won't expose you.
Prabhupada: Because we are doing business, we are getting money from these rascal government, so if you expose me, then I will not get money, and if I expose you, you will not get money. Let us remain together and let them remain fools. That's all. This is it. If a common man like me can understand the whole policy, how the scientist will not understand? But they have made a compromise that "Don't expose me, I'll not expose you, and let us take money from the government." This is going on.
Amogha: So the big demons are cheating the small demons, but they're all demons.
DID PRABHUPADA ACCEPT PHOTOS AS EVDINCE?
Devotee (1): This is a new picture of Mars, just came in the Washington Post today. Here is what the scientists say the mountains are on Mars. Big crater they are talking about. This is a recent photo.
Prabhupada: So? What do they say?
Svarupa Damodara: Says it's a Grand Canyon. Just like in Arizona there's a canyon called Grand Canyon.
Prabhupada: So might be from Arizona? (laughter) Like Arizona, that means Arizona.
Rupanuga: Just like Arizona, the same rocks you find in Arizona.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Svarupa Damodara: This is called Martian Grand Canyon, and an ocean meandering gorge ten times the size of Arizona's Grand Canyon.
Prabhupada: That we can photograph it and make ten times, hundred times. Their business is in Arizona.
Rupanuga: I think so.
Prabhupada: And this is only the propaganda.
Rupanuga: I agree. I think it was all like a movie set.
Prabhupada: That's all. They are not going. Arizona is there, only accept. Why they are taking Arizona? That means they are in Arizona. Just like one man was stealing from the room, and there were some sounds, and the master of the house said "Who is there? What is that sound?" The man said, "No, I am not stealing. No, no I am not stealing." It is like that. (laughter)
Rupanuga: Throughout this article they make comparisons with earth.
Prabhupada: And there is no man. Just see the foolishness. The same logic, "No, no, I am not stealing." Who asked that you are stealing? He asked for the sound, but he disclosed. It is like that. Why they are bringing Arizona?
Rupanuga: Srila Prabhupäda, you catch them red-handed.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, that I can do. It is like that. Who asked them to speak of Arizona? You are speaking of Arizona. "No, no, I am not stealing." (laughter) It is like that. They could have mentioned other places.
Rupanuga: Arizona is convenient.
Prabhupada: That means they are working in Arizona. The mind is there. Arizona-minded because they are working in Arizona, so they are disclosing mind.
Svarupa Damodara: But they are claiming that this photograph was taken two hundred million miles away from the earth.
Prabhupada: That, they can say anything, but they are doing everything in Arizona.
Vipina: What is the point then, Prabhupäda? Just to take money and use it some other way?
Prabhupada: No, no, just to cheat people that they are very big scientists, give them fat salary. That's all. But what people will benefit by this?
Svarupa Damodara: They want to study whether there is life there or not.
Prabhupada: There is life, you do not know.
Svarupa Damodara: They are not sure yet.
Prabhupada: There is life everywhere. We can say from the sästra. There cannot be any place vacant. It is not possible. Must be life there. All planets are vacant, simply this planet is congested, overpopulation. What is this nonsense? What is the difference between this planet and other planets, chemically or physiologically?
Svarupa Damodara: They say there are differences.
Prabhupada: Huh? Differences, that may be little, the difference between cat's body, dog's body, man's body, little difference must be there. But the elements are the same. At least, I'll not believe. No, I am not blind, but in the sastra, every planet is congested. That is in the Bhagavatam…
Svarupa Damodara: So it's better to say that when science says, scientists say there is no life in other planets, we can conclude that the senses or the forms that we have, or the elements that we have different...
Prabhupada: They are different. Just like in the water, superficially we don't see any living being. But inside you go, there are many millions of living entities. They took photograph. What is the meaning of photograph from such a distance? If you take photograph of the sea, what you will find? It is vacant. So the rascals are taking photograph, and I have to believe it. Photograph, what is the meaning of photograph? There is no meaning. Take the photograph of the sea, if I know what is there. Then go deep into the water, you'll find millions and trillions.
Sadaputa: There are also living entities living in the air that we can't see.
Prabhupada: You can't see so many things. What is the value of your eyes? Why do you believe so much your eyes? You cannot see even your eyelids, so close. Still, you are blind. When there is some particle, you cannot see. You have to struggle how to get out this particle. If you see, then take it. So what is the value of your eyes? Why do you believe so much? Adhyakña, they are called adhyakña, only believe in direct perception.
…Prabhupada: Why do they speak about seeing? What is the value of your seeing? I have seen the Atlantic Ocean, that means I have seen everything? This is ludicrous.
Rupanuga: They may simply speculate from a distance, that "Here is the surface," like here...
Prabhupada: That's all. Real business is speculation.
Rupanuga: Here it says, here, this is some great, here...
Prabhupada: Oh, that is "I am not stealing."
Rupanuga: Twelve hundred miles above the surface. Now they want to speculate what is there.
Prabhupada: Who asked him that who is stealing? But he said "I am not stealing."
Rupanuga: That is perfect, Srila Prabhupäda.
Prabhupada: Why he brings Arizona? Who asked him? That means that their business in Arizona.
Rupanuga: They have exposed themselves.
Prabhupada: Rascals, how they are cheating people.
Rupanuga: Such a big hoax. They have spent billions of dollars for such a hoax.
Prabhupada: Now you consider whether I am right or wrong. The moon planet is also Arizona. (laughs) All their business asset is there.
Rupanuga: So one of the things we want to do is expose this cheating. Should we expose this kind of thing directly like this, or should we indirectly deal with it?
Prabhupada: No, you do scientifically. I give you the hint.
(Conversation, July 6 1976, Washington DC)
This bluffing. And this moon planet going means Arizona. That is now disclosed. They take photographs in the Arizona. That's all.
Tamala Krishna: Take photographs where?
Hari-sauri: In Arizona. There's an article, and it showed a picture of Mars and it compared, there's supposed to be this canyon four miles deep. So they said it compares to the Grand Canyon in Arizona, like that. So Prabhupada said that by even mentioning Arizona they've revealed themselves. And he told one story about, there's a man, he heard a noise in his room, and he said, "Ah, who is that?" And immediately the reply came, "Oh, I'm not stealing." So even without asking, they've revealed themselves by saying Arizona, even mentioning Arizona.
Prabhupada: Why these rascals compare it with Arizona? As if there is no other place in the world. Everything they are doing in Arizona. All photograph in this place. Now they have been caught. I was always protesting, "These rascals have never gone." For the last ten years I've protested. Whenever they asked me, I say straightly, "It is all childish. They have never gone, neither they'll be able to go." That has been proof available. Now they do not talk about it. That is finished, all propaganda, finished. Now they have taken another...
Tamala Krishna: Mars.
Prabhupada: ...to keep their service in order. This is going on, all cheating. To keep people in darkness and exploit them. The so-called swamis exploiting, yogis exploiting, politician exploiting, scientists exploiting, philosophers exploiting. What is the position of the world? And this is the opportunity, human life, to know everything, to solve all the problems. They are not given the opportunity, they are kept in darkness. The demons. "There is no God, science is everything, life is produced from chemicals, and there is no living entities on other planets." They are simply show. This planet is full of..., it is all scientists, and they are vacant. And we have to believe that. Perhaps for the first time I am raising protest against all this nonsense.
Tamala Krishna: It is such a challenge. Your statements are such a challenge to their so-called science that they're still in shock. I still think that they do not take us seriously yet because it's such a difference to what they are saying. Soon, gradually, they'll take...(Morning Walk, July 10 1976, New York)
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2016 3:20:36 GMT
Prabhupada: So all of you now make a complete idea how to make Vedic planetary, planetarium. Another question. Why in every map the northern side is accepted up? (laughter) Can anyone answer this? North, south. South is considered down. East, west. Why not other ways? I can make east on that side. Why it is north only up side? Can anyone answer?
Ambarisha: It might have something to do with the magnetic poles. The magnetic force is always pulling to the north.
Prabhupada: That is the polestar. Yes. That is the up side of the universe. And that we have described in the Bhagavatam. That is the pivot, and the whole planetary system is moving twenty-four hours. (Room Conversation, June 15 1976 Detroit)
The southern star trails are not due to being upside down on a globe , that is simply an effect of perspective from a southern orientation
In this image taken with a special panoramic camera we can see how star trails are going in opposite directions just by turning around . Don't be fooled by people who blindly accept the globull propaganda and immediately assume based on the incorrect presupposition, that a southern star trail from a different perspective and southern orientation automatically concludes, we live on a spinning top hurtling through space while we are upside down .
Prabhupada also says in this conversation:
Prabhupada: Now you all together make this Vedic planetarium very nice, so that people will come and see. From the description of the Srmad-Bhagavatam, you prepare this Vedic planetarium. How do you like this idea, Vedic planetarium?
Ambarisha: It seems like a very nice idea.
Prabhupada: You also like? So finance this project. (laughter) Vedic planetarium.
Ambarisha: Where will this be?
Prabhupada: Mayapura. My idea is to attract people of the whole world to Mayapura. So we are just trying to acquire three hundred fifty acres of land from the government…
Prabhupada: So all of you now make a complete idea how to make Vedic planetary, planetarium. (Room Conversation, June 15 1976 Detroit)
Prabhupada: Exactly to the description of Fifth Canto, we want. (Room Conversation, May 8 1977, Hrishikesh)
Prabhupada: So you have to, as far as possible... If you can you have to demonstrate, "This is planetary system." So at least we shall show what is going on within this universe. And above... And each universe is covered with seven material elements. Each covering is ten times more than the other covering, earth, water, air, fire. A wonderful creation. And how it will be shown? So I have decided, therefore, that let us show something about this planetary, er, this universe. And others, we give idea. How it will be done, you think over as far as possible. (laughs) (Morning Conversation April 30 1977, Bombay)
But on that point (how it will be done) there are a number of interesting statements, that I'm not quite sure how to take. Prabhupada seems to indicate that it requires only academic qualification, not spiritual qualification to figure out what is going on:
Prabhupada: Yes. One who can understand that description in the Fifth Canto rightly, it is... There is no question of whether he's spiritually advanced or not. It is simply academic qualification.
Patita-pavana: Yes, that is there.
Prabhupada: Yes. It has nothing to do with spiritual understanding…
…Prabhupada: To get the... Yes. That is another advantage. If it is possible, do. So they can understand the description in the Srmad-Bhagavatam?
Patita-pavana: They have assured me that they can.
Prabhupada: Then it will be all right.
Patita-pavana: And even this Ramanuja Agnihotram Tattvacarya... I went to the chief of the Ranganatha Svami Temple and made good friends with him. I gave him your Caitanya-caritamrta which was the conversation between Gopala Bhatta, I'm sorry, Bhattacarya, Venkata Bhattacarya, and Lord Caitanya. And he is the ancestor of him, in charge of the Ranganatha. And he told me that this Agnihotram is a little bit touched by Mayavada. I said, "I understand. But," I said, "can he do the universe good? Even though you're criticizing him, does he know the universal description?" And he said, "That he knows. Many people have praised him like this in different works."
Prabhupada: It is a simply academic thing…
…Prabhupada: He is recommending, they are very good scholar. We have to simply present Srimad-Bhagavatam as it is. That's all. Whether it is right, wrong, we are not concerned. Sarvam etad rtam manye yad vadasi keshava [Bg. 10.14]. This is our position. You know this verse?
Patita-pavana: This verse I don't know. I don't know this verse. Sarva...?
Prabhupada: Find out. Sarvam etad rtam manye yad vadasi keshava [Bg. 10.14]. Find out. Bhagavad-gita.
Giriraja: "Whatever You say, I accept in toto."
Prabhupada: That's all. (Conversation with Patita Pavana, April 20, 1977, Bombay) |
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Post by Admin on Nov 30, 2016 8:29:37 GMT
Dejan Milosavljevic:- Srimati Syamarani didi once told us about Prabhupada's answer in the beginning of NY yatra, when one devotee asked, ''How is possible that we do not see Mount Sumeru, which is made of solid gold, and the Earth is situated at the bottom of Sumeru''. Prabhupada answered, ''You live in United States, but you cannot see United States''.
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